Editor’s Note: With the exception of one question specifically for Andy Powers, this edition’s questions were answered by both Bob Taylor and Andy.
I have five Taylor guitars and one Martin. Having read Wood&Steel over many years and paid regular visits to my local guitar shop, I think I understand many nuances of guitar design, such as material selection, torrefaction, the design of bracing and adhesives, and other influences such as the use or non-use of pickguards. It seems that different brands have their own identifiable sound even after taking account of the acoustic differences with each individual guitar. My question: Do you make different prototypes when you are leading up to the launch of a new model to establish whether or not a guitar is likely to turn out with a sound that is better, or worse, by incorporating variables in the prototypes such as torrefying or not torrefying the top, using or not using a pickguard, or placing the back or side bracing in the same fixed position? Read Answer
Andy: Trevor, we do build prototypes during a guitar’s development phase. At times, those prototypes will incorporate one variable to evaluate an individual element. Other times, the development of a model will involve multiple criteria as a means to distill the sonic, structural and aesthetic aspects of a design into the finished form. A counterpoint to this is that we’ve built a lot of guitars over a lot of years, and with each instrument, we learn some factors that remain true from one design to the next. As a result, not every aspect of every guitar needs to be proven out individually. For example, once we learn how a species of wood behaves in a certain context, it’s reasonable to expect it to behave similarly in a similar context. The parameters we pay closest attention to during a development project are the new and unfamiliar ones. As a more recent example, the red ironbark wood we’ve introduced with our 500 Series guitars took several years of working with to establish our understanding of how it should be used. That might sound overly tedious, but we don’t mind. We love building guitars and working through ideas in the pursuit of a guitar that offers a rewarding voice to a musician.
Bob: Trevor, these are good questions, and it’s good to hear that you’ve learned about guitars through Wood&Steel. I know what you mean about having an identifiable sound. It’s kind of like most people’s cooking, where they add their own flavor profile to each dish. We love our sound profile. It’s almost impossible for us to make a guitar that sounds like another maker’s profile. I mean, we could if we copied it exactly, but in the end, we still nudge it away from that direction. Personally, I find myself a little more into the category of trial and error than Andy. He’s good enough to know what a guitar will sound like before he makes it. I’m good at making a guitar I like, but if I need more of this and less of that, I’m not as sure as he is. And I have to say that we make so many guitars that those variables become evident just from everyday observation. We don’t really have to make a guitar with a pickguard and one without one to determine which one we like. When you do it all day, every day, you build a strong sense about it.
Bob and Andy, I can’t overstate how much admiration I’ve had for your products and company philosophy over the years. Your guitars are well-crafted and beautifully finished, and your design innovations have moved the industry forward. Just as important, I think, your heart for leaving the forests better than you found them is hopefully inspiring the industry to be better stewards of our natural resources.
Two things I have meant to comment on for some time, however, are the only issues I have ever had with Taylor guitars. Those are “neck dive” [when the weight of the headstock pulls the neck down in relation to the body] and loose-fitting string pegs. I have owned six Taylor guitars over time and currently have four. I have sold my 2006 612ce and a more recent T5z. The four Taylors I currently have are a 2000 514ce, a 2009 T3/B, a Builder’s Edition 517e, and a 150e 12-string.
The T3/B is balanced and doesn’t suffer from neck dive, and it doesn’t have string pegs, so it is exempt from my constructive criticism. With twice as many tuners and a wider neck, the 150e 12-string would be a difficult guitar to balance, so I can understand how neck dive would be difficult (impossible?) to avoid. The neck dive of the 514ce and the 517e, though, is a distraction compared to the perfect balance of my Martin D-18, which will sit at a level playing angle, no strap or holding up required.
I change my own strings on all of my guitars, and I always have some trouble with the 514ce and 517e string pegs. Those fit so loosely into the bridge holes that it can be frustrating to try to get the connection secure enough to start winding the string up to proper tension. This is most noticeable on the unwrapped (B and E) strings. This was also an issue on the 612ce and T5z guitars I no longer own. I hate to compare you to Martin, but the string pegs on my D-18 fit snugly into the bridge holes and restringing is an easier chore.
These seem like issues that could be improved upon. They are also issues that I’ve heard other guitar players comment on frequently regarding Taylor guitars compared to other brands.
I don’t want to sound like a complainer. These are obviously minor issues for me — I continue to own more Taylor guitars than any other make. So good job and thank you for an incredible contribution to the industry that I love the most! Read Answer
Editor’s Note: Taylor Customer Service Manager Glen Wolff responded in addition to Andy and Bob.
Glen: Mike, regarding your feedback about loose-fitting bridge pins, we fit the pins slightly looser on purpose so they’ll all seat evenly down on the bridge. They require a little tension on the string to lock them in, which may be a little tricky at times, but having them all set even is worth it. The problem with a pressure fit is the pins end up at different heights, which can be distracting depending on where you rest your hand over the bridge while playing.
Andy: Thanks for the critique, Mike. We’re always open to input from players on what aspects of a guitar’s design matter to them. I hear you on the neck dive and physical balance of an instrument. I, too, like a perfectly balanced guitar. In some cases, the weight at the headstock end of guitar is dictated by the reality of tuning machines, how many there are, and how big that peghead needs to be to hold them. At the body end, there is a range of factors to contend with, such as the species of wood and size of the body. While there have been times I’ve been tempted to add weight to a body to counterbalance a peghead, I’ve rarely found that to be a satisfactory solution as I often dislike what the resulting overall weight does for the instrument. There are a few considerations a guitar maker can play with to help, such as the size of tuning machines or species of neck wood. We certainly take those factors into account, but as you point out, there’s always room to improve on a good thing.
As for the fit of the bridge pins, we like to fit them so the heads end up at a uniform height when properly worn in. One of the tricks I use to help securely seat the ball end of the string against the bridge plate where it belongs is to make a slight bend on the twisted end portion and insert the string with the bent portion and ball toward the soundhole. That gets the ball end out of the way of the pin and helps it rest against the underside of the top, where it won’t want to pop the pin out.
Bob: Thanks, Mike, and rest assured, I don’t consider you a complainer. Your comments make me want to take a look myself, which I will do. As Glen said in his comments, we make the pins a little loose. I think Rob Magargal [Taylor’s Service Network Manager and longtime repair technician] has a restring video where he shows how we seat strings with the endpin and the ball end of the string up against the maple pin plate that’s glued to the underside of the top. Each pin is the same size. Each hole is the same size. We don’t ream a taper into our holes. We use a tapered pin into a straight hole. We find we can seat strings and pins evenly this way. What varies is the size of the string and the size of the slot. We try to match those together. One technique I personally use is that I don’t always put the groove of the pin facing forward. There’s variability in all this matching. So when I have a string seated in its slot and the ball up against the underside of the top, if the pin is loose, I twist it so that the groove is not in line with the string. This usually tightens up the fit by interfering with the string a little. This may sound like a cheat, but it’s really just flexibility. Give that a try, and while you do that, we’ll take a look to see if anything has drifted in the manufacturing.
I have a 2017 714ce with a Western red cedar top. It is a stunningly sweet-sounding instrument. Everyone who hears or plays it gushes over the tone. It seems like cedar tops used to be an option in a couple of [series], but it looks like the only option is now the Jason Mraz nylon-string. True? I’m curious why there isn’t more cedar on offer…is it just lack of consumer demand, the tone not really fitting the brand, or some other consideration? Read Answer
Andy: Caleb, I’m with you on the tone of Western red cedar. I love it as a top wood, especially on a Grand Concert or Grand Auditorium guitar like yours, particularly for its touch sensitivity and warmth. Great cedar for guitar tops may not be quite as readily available as some other top woods, but we do get it and like building with it. While it may not be the standard choice on many models, we do commonly offer cedar as a top substitution in place of another wood on many models, in addition to building limited-edition guitars with it.
Bob: Caleb, it’s simple: Cedar is super hard to find these days, and we can’t easily obtain sufficient supply to ensure a model. I’m not sure if that will change. But that’s the main reason. These days, we tend to make limited-edition runs of guitars with cedar, but no longer the high-volume models. By the way, I have a 20th anniversary Grand Auditorium made with mahogany and cedar. That’s a fine guitar, so I agree with you.
Andy, with your recently added roles as President and CEO, do you have any plans to bring another luthier in on the guitar design side of things to assist or support you? Read Answer
Andy: Chuck, I’m very fortunate to work with great teams of folks in every area of our company. Without them and their expertise in their respective fields, I would never be able to get everything done. Titles aside, I remain a guitar maker first and foremost, and I’m happy to spend a good portion of my days at the bench. I’m not hanging up my chisels. But certainly we love including great talent in every corner of our business and are actively training future generations of guitar-loving instrument makers.
Bracing should be stiff, flexible, and light, so I’m just curious: Has any thought been given to using carbon fiber bracing, which can be manufactured just as you’d like? Or maybe fiberglass? Read Answer
Andy: Gary, that’s a good suggestion. A number of guitar makers have experimented with including carbon fiber or fiberglass in their brace architectures, either alone or combined with wood. In fact, I’ve experimented with those materials myself in different designs. So far, I’ve always come back to wood for braces. To me, there’s something special about the way wood works, sounds and ages that seems to offer the most musically pleasing results.
Bob: Gary, many have asked this, and some makers have done it, but usually on an all-carbon-fiber top. Wood is really perfect, though. You can cut it, dry it, carve it to any shape. You can glue it. Carbon fiber doesn’t carve and doesn’t glue with anything but epoxy. Each shape would have to be molded. We have hundreds of shapes. And in the end, it’s not really stronger for what’s needed, nor does it improve sound. Just talking about it now makes me stop and enjoy the wonders of wood. Plus…wood grows on trees!
I have an old piece of the more common yellow limba wood that I used in high school to make a shelf out of. In grain structure, it appears to be very similar to mahogany. Recently, I noticed that one electric guitar manufacturer is making guitars out of black limba, which is beautifully variegated in color. Does Taylor have any experience with either yellow or black limba as a tonewood, and can I [get a custom guitar] made from it?
P.S. I love my granadillo/cedar/cocobolo GA custom that you folks made with the beautiful red striped binding back in 2013. Read Answer
Andy: Jeff, as a matter of fact, we have built a number of guitars from black limba, also referred to as korina. It’s been used in electric guitars as far back as the 1950s, most famously on the Gibson “futuristic” models of the late 1950s. Sonically, it’s reminiscent of the mahogany we love and has physically similar properties as you point out. We don’t come across this wood often, so we’ve never built a regular model from it, but we’ve featured it in some limited-edition guitars as well as custom instruments.
Bob: Joe, we’ve used it a time or two. Your assessment is pretty correct concerning its characteristics. But alas, one little drawback of a factory like ours is that we typically only seek out wood that has sufficient quantity to make at least an LTD run.
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